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Chuck Stamford wrote: It is now clear that your actual choice is different from your stated > "Andrew wrote: > > Chuck Stamford wrote: > >> Andrew wrote: > >> > Chuck Stamford wrote: > >> >> <read, understood, appreciated, and snipped> > >> > Our LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either > >> > This has been done with the guidance of the Holy Spirit: > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4518e05509523f1c? > >> > Take what has been written to heart or leave it. > >> Then I'll have to leave it, Andrew, and recommend that others do likewise > > That would be your choice. We each retain the free will that HE has choice and different from the two choices that I offered you. > >> The particular false belief that you hold to here (i.e., that When two believers disagree about who is being guided by the Holy > >> non-cognitive > >> beings can make choices and sin), while *obviously* false, apparently > >> does > >> you personally no critical spiritual harm. > > This understanding from the Holy Spirit is not false. > It's your understanding that its from the Holy Spirit, Andrew, and THAT Spirit, the one that says s/he is in the Holy Spirit is the one guided by HIM. In the Spirit, this understanding comes from HIM. > > Personally, this understanding from the Holy Spirit has strengthened No such thing as either fortunately or unfortunately when there is no > > and encouraged me because GOD now appears more awesome and not less. > And if that's all that it does to you and for you, then praise God. I'd be fortune (Proverbs 16:33). > Our beliefs have an awesomely intricate relationship It is clear you rely more on your logic and cognitive abilities than > to each other, one in which the vast majority of them we hold to be true > form the basis for a whole string of other beliefs we hold to be true as > well. We hold beliefs in a "structure", Andrew, and it is my fear that this > false belief of yours acts, or will act, or can act, as the basis for other > beliefs you hold, or will come to hold. And you cannot base a true belief > on one that is false. That is logically impossible. So this one false > belief could (and I stress "could" here) become the basis for a whole string > of false beliefs, one or more of which very well could cause you spiritual > harm, if not now, then in the future. That is my real concern here. the counsel of the Holy Spirit. > > The souls of mountains, planets, stars, galaxies must obey HIM ! ! ! What I see is obedience as an expression of free will. Indeed, > But this statement directly contradicts what you've already said about the obedience is proof of free will. Although GOD is sovereign so that all souls must obey HIM or receive the wages of sin... at the present time, there are souls that have made the choice to disobey HIM and that they still exist speaks to GOD's infinite mercy and grace. Now folks should understand why all things have to be made new... ... for it is written that after the LORD's day of judgment when > If they "must" obey, then they have no choice to obey. Where there is free will there is choice. It remains GOD's infinite will that all souls retain HIS generous gift > And if they can choose to obey or not, then they must not have to obey. Your logic fails you here. Think of a parent telling a child that s/he must obey. Has this parent taken away the child's free will upon issuing the No, of course not. Analogously, all souls retain their free will even when obedience is > Now either you're not expressing this belief very well as the Holy Spirit or you are having difficulty understanding what has been plainly > has given it to you, or the Holy Spirit hasn't given it to you despite what > you believe to the contrary, because one thing is for sure: God doesn't > contradict Himself! written. This latter explanation is more plausible because you did demonstrate a "Would concur with what you have written." ... to mean disagreement: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5e083849014dcd6b? > > GOD's love keeps them all alive. GOD's love is the unified field law With the death of their respective souls, GOD's creations would cease > > that Einstein sought but never found. > But Einstein wasn't looking for a field theory to explain why everything is to exist. > As a doctor, you should well understand the difference. As a scientist, I know that the distinction between life and existence is blurred at the level of virus particles so that extrapolation of this lack of distinction to souls is possible. > The truth here is that you've got nothing to support your belief that Actually, all Biblical references to LORD Jesus Christ being able to > everything has a soul, and is alive in some sense (that remains completely > unexplained or described by you). Nothing out of God's word the Bible. command things (trees, fish, stones, water, sky, mountains) to obey HIM support the understanding that these things have soul and free will even if technically some are not "alive" in the usual sense of the word. > Nothing from any human inquiry into the nature of the universe. Actually, from the personal experience of interacting with animals, having observed their obedience and love for their owners, it is clear each have soul and free will. Moreover, there have been scientific evidence that plants are "aware" of their surroundings responding to music and love by growing more vigorously. > Nothing...but you're naked assertion that it's true despite all the evidence You are straying from the truth here. > there is to the contrary. Recently, President Bush asserted that having the U.S. pull out of Iraq ... and it is written that the wages of sin is death (for a soul). > >> So I'm am not concerned about Yet, you have been straying from the truth in what you have written. > >> you. If that's what you believe, and you're strongly convinced it's > >> true, > >> then that's the way things are. > > Most assuredly without doubt, I know the truth for HE is our LORD and > But on that basis so do I, Andrew. > >> But false beliefs can spiritually harm others, severely harm them, so There is no distinction for those in the Holy Spirit. See above. > >> perhaps it would be a good example of loving unconditionally if you kept > >> this particular belief to yourself; especially since this belief has no > >> direct bearing on the message of salvation and saving faith in God > >> through > >> His Son, Jesus Christ. > > Actually, this understanding from the Holy Spirit does have a direct > > "Why did Jesus curse the fig tree for not bearing fruit out-of-season > > If you believe the understanding provided by the Holy Spirit is false, > First of all, I DON'T believe that the understanding provided by the Holy > And I believe the Holy Spirit doesn't send us special understandings about a You have not answered the question: > passage of Scripture when He has already put the correct understanding > within the context of that passage, as is the case with Mark 11. So let's > look at all that Jesus has to say there: > "No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever." Mark 11:14 (KJV) > "Have faith in God. 23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say > Now the second speech is in direct response to the disciples inquiry about > No, the second speech of Jesus explains the entire affair, and it is put "Why did Jesus curse the fig tree for not bearing fruit out-of-season > I hope this is of help to you. I present it to you in that hope. You remind me of Job's friends. They also meant well. May GOD continue to heal our hearts, dear brother Chuck whom I love Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? | ||||||||||||||||||
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