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From:		Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - view profile
Date:		Mon, Aug 7 2006 7:24 am
Email:		"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nosp...@heartmdphd.com>
Groups:		sci.med.cardiology, alt.christnet.christianlife, soc.culture.jewish, soc.culture.israel, alt.atheism

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Steve Marcus wrote:
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:1154909660.190022.141520@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Steve Marcus wrote:
> >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1154871017.555407.36480@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Steve Marcus wrote:
> >> >> "Al" <a...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:eb4mdm01931@enews1.newsguy.com...
> >> >> > Steve Marcus wrote:
> >> >> >> "Al" <a...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:eb27nu01ffo@enews3.newsguy.com...
> >> >> >>> Andrew wrote:

> >> >> >>>> They also reported that the only word they heard from me was
> >> >> >>>> "Help
> >> >> >>>> !"
> >> >> >>>> which was the only word that the Holy Spirit compelled me to say
> >> >> >>>> outside
> >> >> >>>> of my prayer which was simply "Help me LORD... this is all up to
> >> >> >>>> YOU. I
> >> >> >>>> surrender to YOUR will. THY will be done."
> >> >> >>> You fucking whacko!

> >> >> >> And you keep replying to him. Are you certain that you've
> >> >> >> identified
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> whacko correctly?

> >> >> >> Steve

> >> >> > yes, puppet, I have. Forgive all my inequities.

> >> >> Well asshole, I doubt that you've identified the whacko correctly.

> >> >> Regardless of how misguided Chung is, and he is deeply misguided, he
> >> >> is
> >> >> at
> >> >> least accomplishing something that he views as being positive by
> >> >> engaging
> >> >> people in what he perceives to be a religious dialogue. He thus
> >> >> enables
> >> >> himself to respond to those people in a way that he perceives
> >> >> (misguidely)
> >> >> to be the presentation of the "righteous" response to nonbelievers.

> >> >> You, on the other hand, as a 14 year old (sorry, you did admit to
> >> >> being
> >> >> 14
> >> >> 1/2, didn't you) post simply to be able to read your name on your
> >> >> monitor.
> >> >> Your posts accomplish nothing exept to fill the newsgroup with extra
> >> >> posts,
> >> >> typically loaded with foul language. They are so weak that Chung
> >> >> rarely
> >> >> even deigns to reply to you.

> >> >> Why not try going making a friend or two in the real world, rather
> >> >> than
> >> >> spending time behind your computer, lost in your whacko belief that
> >> >> posting
> >> >> to newgroups makes you intelligent or important?

> >> >> Steve

> >> > The name-calling shows you are lost.

> >> > Instead of misguided, you are unguided.

> >> > Moreover, the hate you have for Al is hurting your heart.

> >> > May GOD heal your heart, dear neighbor Steve.

> >> Dr. Chung,

> >> Do not presume to pray for me.

> > It remains my choice.

> Your choice is presumptuous.

My love for you compels me to make this choice.

> More importantly, your choice wastes time.

Praying to GOD has never been a waste of time in my experience. It
saddens me that this apparently has not been your experience.

> Your god gave you the ability to obtain the knowledge to help people on this
> earth.

... so that people will see the good works and learning their Source
seek HIM out to thank and praise HIM. Laus Deo !

> That you choose to waste it praying for people who do not need, or
> simply do not want, your prayers cannot sit well with your god, or with any
> logical god.

If you knew our GOD well enough to speak for HIM, you would not hold
the opinion that prayer for anybody is a waste of time.

Indeed, though I know HIM well enough to speak for HIM, it remains my
choice to refrain from this.

Instead, the Holy Spirit guides me to inform you that GOD is the Source
of all time and reality and that you need not fear having less of it
because of prayer but expect more of it as a consequence.

> Have you considered that you are mistaken in your belief that the choice to
> pray for people who do not want or need your prayers may be the devil's
> choice, and not your god's choice?

The choice to pray for others is made through the free will that GOD
has generously given me. If this choice pleased the evil forces of
this world, you would not longer witness their ill will which has been
distressing you. Indeed, you know my case has been infinitely
strengthened by their behavior, which they can not help.

The creatures of darkness are drawn to the light that they hate.

Their presence is proof of the light even if you are blind and unable
to see the light.

You feel these creatures flying about brushing against your face and
crawling in your hair.

It is my wish that GOD will help you see and help the creatures of
darkness become creatures of light.

> >> I am not of your faith.

> > You are my neighbor.

> No I'm not.

In truth, you are.

> We live in different states

We could be visiting each other in person within 24 hours.

> , we have different beliefs,

Neighbors often do.

> and we
> do not know each other except through the medium of this newsgroup.

If I found you injured on the side of the road, I would definitely
dress your wounds and pray that GOD would heal you through me.

> >> In fact, the person whom you choose to label god was of my faith.

> > In truth, in physical appearance when HE was here on earth, HE did
> > appear to be of your ethnic heritage.

> You have that wrong.

The Bible is not wrong.

> Your god did appear to some men who had political axes
> to grind to be a god.

HE also appeared to women who would not have had any political
aspirations at that time.

> You have no proof otherwise.

Then it is interesting what the Holy Spirit has just guided me to
write.

> On the other hand,
> there is proof aplenty to support what I just wrote.

You may certainly attempt to prove that the women also had political
aspirations.

> But again, you waste time and energy discussing this in a forum that is
> inappropriate for the discussion.

The Holy Spirit continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and
write. It remains my choice to receive HIS guidance as I have for most
of my life without regret. Indeed, looking back HIS guidance has
provided more time not less and has made life much more abundant.

> If you believe that your god wishes you
> to do that, I suggest that either your god is crazy (which is an
> impossibility in your belief system), or you are mistaken and have been
> tricked by the devil into believing that you are doing god's work by
> proselytizing in this newsgroup.

You know that your becoming more aware of the light of the truth, Who
is LORD Jesus Christ, emanating from my heart is not the result of a
willful act of proselytizing on my part but the result of GOD's will in
drawing the creatures of darkness to the light.

> In fact, you are wasting god's gift to you.

"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden.
Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they
put it on a stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the
same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good
deeds and praise your Father in heaven." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
5:14-16)

> >> Instead, you would do well in
> >> the eyes of the god you believe in to consider what I wrote above.

> > You don't know HIM well enough to speak for HIM.

> It matters not what you think i know of your god. It is clear that if your
> god isn't crazy, then it is clear that if you believe that your god wishes
> you to waste time here, alienating people who need medical help, then either
> you are mistaken or your god is crazy (which is an impossibility in your
> belief system). You have been tricked by the devil into believing that you
> are doing god's work by proselytizing in this newsgroup.

Your believing in the devil is progress toward believing in GOD, whom
the devil hates.

> In fact, you are
> wasting god's gift to you. To that sin, you are adding the sin of huburus
> when you claim that you know your god well enough to speak for your god.

Indeed, most assuredly without doubt, I know our LORD to be kind, just,
and right.

> > Indeed, even though through the Holy Spirit I know HIM well enough, it
> > remains my choice to not speak for HIM.

> By posting religious material on this newsgroup, you are in fact speaking
> for him.

Not as you have.

> The devil has blinded you to that.

In truth, the devil has no powers except that which is given to him by
the creatures of darkness. Moreover, what little powers he has is
dispelled by the light of the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ.

> >> Do you really believe that your god chooses for you to clog up this
> >> newsgroup by responding to those who attack you?

> > In truth, I respond only when guided by the Holy Spirit to respond.

> In truth, the devil has indeed tricked you.

Many thanks and praises to GOD for your believing in the existence of
the devil even if you believe that he has power over the creatures of
the light and the Holy Spirit, Who guides them.

Laus Deo !

> >> Do you really believe that
> >> your god wishes for you to drive away those who post in this newsgroup
> >> seeking medical information by forcing your religious beliefs on them,
> >> and
> >> by inciting those who do not wish to deal with your religious beliefs
> >> (which
> >> have nothing to do with the religious beliefs that they themselves may
> >> hold)
> >> to clog up this newsgroup?

> > In truth, if it were not my LORD's will for me to serve in the manner
> > HE would have me serve here, I would not.

> Again, the sin of pride.

Not for the discerning.

> In truth, you really do not know what your god's will is.

In the Holy Spirit, I do.

> If you did, you would confine your posts to medical information,
> confound your enemies here by not giving them grist for their mill, and aid
> those who are sick or suffering by giving deeper and better advice.

The latter occurs when the Holy Spirit compels folks to seek me out in
person.

> >> Do you think that your god wants you to take
> >> time away from the time that you could use to respond to those asking
> >> medical questions here by spending that time preaching your religious
> >> views?

> > In truth, being openly Christian is not being religious but being
> > spiritual.

> That is a non-answer.

No such thing.

> Whether characterized as being religious or being
> spiritual, your posts here hinder your ability to give medical information
> to those who are in need of such information.

That is not what I discern.

> You have allowed yourself to
> be led away from using god's gift to you, and have instead created a forum
> in which the enemies of your good now hold sway.

Your becoming more aware of the enemy and his creatures of darkness is
actually such a tremendous blessing that makes everything that much
more worthwhile.

> You should look after your own soul, Andrew, because by any logical
> analysis, your soul (if you believe you have one) is in mortal danger.

Many thanks and praises to GOD for your heartfelt concerns for my soul.
Would appreciate your actuating your concerns into prayer so that we
would both be that much more blessed.

> > Christianity is not a religion as defined by the world but a
> > relationship with the risen Christ Jesus as seen by HIM.

> Spouting that sort of platitude doesn't change a thing.

It is the truth.

> You have allowed
> yourself to be led away from using god's gift to you, and have instead
> created a forum in which the enemies of your good now hold sway

See above.

> >> I submit to you that you, being human, may well be wrong regarding your
> >> interpretation of scripture, and your conclusion that you know what your
> >> god
> >> wishes you to do (a very presumptuous conclusion indeed. I further
> >> submit
> >> to you that if you claim to be able to both respond to medical inquiries
> >> and
> >> preach/proselytize here, you are committing a sin in the eyes of your god
> >> by
> >> lying. Finally, I submit to you that you will best serve your god by
> >> serving man, and you will best serve man *in this newsgroup* by
> >> responding
> >> to medical inquiries, contributing medical knowledge, and foregoing the
> >> preaching/proselytizing.

> > In truth, just as my LORD is not of this world, I am no longer of this
> > world.

> Then your posts do not belong in this newsgroup.

They do by the simple fact that there is no other cardiologist
participating here on a regular basis.

> By continuing to post in
> this newsgroup, you are misusing and dishonoring your god given (if you
> believe in your god) medical abilities, and giving the enemies of your god a
> forum to post their anti-god posts. There are ample newsgroups in which
> your god's beliefs, and your spiritual and religious beliefs would be on
> topic. In this newsgroup, they simply do the devil's work.

In truth, your becoming more aware of the devil and his creatures of
darkness is GOD's work.

> > Just as LORD Jesus Christ helped people as LORD Jesus Christ,
> > HE has me helping people as one of HIS, as one who has been reborn of
> > water and the Holy Spirit. The world is incapable of understanding the
> > coming and goings of those who have been reborn of water and the Holy
> > Spirit and so those of this world would opine sin where there has been
> > no sin. Indeed, doing the will of GOD is the highest form of
> > righteousness in the universe. The Holy Spirit helps us know the will
> > of GOD.

> The devil has you fooled, Andrew. Your soul is in immortal danger. I hope
> that your god gives you the ability to see that, and to look to changing
> things around.

You forget my GOD-given past.

> > May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Steve.

> After three infarcs, Andrew, I doubt that any god can heal my heart.

"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- "Doubting" Thomas upon seeing the risen
Christ Jesus.

May GOD remove all your doubts as HE did for Apostle Thomas, dear
neighbor Steve.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

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