> >>>> H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:

> >>>>> P.S.  Notice that here where I was talking to a SANE man, David, I
> >>>>> call The Acts of John a "Gnostic text".

> >>>>>> Then you should have KNOWN  that Satan was pulling your chain.

> >>>>>> "...and they shall do signs and wonder such that, if it were
> >>>>>> possible, they could deceive the very elect."

> >>>>>> Ike

> >>>> ===============================================================

> >>>> Like it says, IF it were possible, but it isn't.  I'm glad you at
> >>>> least admit I'm among the holier-than-thou elect, Eikenboob.  ;-)

> >>> In truth, it is not possible to deceive the very elect who are
> >>> guided by the Holy Spirit.

> >>> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> >>> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies.

> >> Sorry, Andrew, but that is not Scriptural.

> > Actually, it is.

> No, it is not.

> > What is faith without works ?

> > Dead (James 2:14-17).

> Nothing about loving enemies here.

> > Nothing (1 Corinthians 13:3).

> Nothing about loving enemies here.

> >>> <> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
> >> "Be careful that you don't do your charitable giving before men, to
> >> be seen by them, or else you have no reward from your Father who is
> >> in heaven. Therefore when you do merciful deeds, don't sound a
> >> trumpet before yourself, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and
> >> in the streets, that they may get glory from men. Most assuredly I
> >> tell you, they have received their reward. But when you do merciful
> >> deeds, don't let your left hand know what your right hand does, so
> >> that your merciful deeds may be in secret, then your Father who sees
> >> in secret will reward you openly.
> >> (Matthew 6:1-4 WEB)

> > Nothing about loving enemies here.

> :-)

> What else is love but care?

> >> Maybe you mean "kindness" as a fruit of the Spirit?

> >>> <> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
> >> But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,
> >> goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such
> >> things there is no law. (Galatians 5:22-23 WEB)

> > Love is kind (1 Corinthians 13:4).

> :-)

> Yes, love is kind.

> But that does not say that *others see we belong to God* by our being
> kind to enemies.

> >> This should be shown to everyone if possible and depending on us, of
> >> course, and it is indeed Scriptural that people are known by their
> >> fruits. But we are warned:

> >>> <> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
> >> Let no one deceive you with empty words.
> >> For because of these things, the wrath of God comes on the children
> >> of disobedience.
> >> Therefore don't be partakers with them.
> >> For you were once darkness, but are now light in the Lord. Walk as
> >> children of light, for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and
> >> righteousness and truth, proving what is well-pleasing to the Lord.
> >> Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather
> >> even reprove them.
> >> (Ephesians 5:6-11 WEB)

> > Words from the Holy Spirit are not empty.

> Pardon? What does that have to do with the verses I quoted?

> Not everything might be from the Holy Spirit all the time, Andrew.

> >> We are to give information to those who ask us:

> >>> <> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
> >> But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts; and always be ready to
> >> give an answer to everyone who asks you a reason concerning the hope
> >> that is in you, with humility and fear: having a good conscience;
> >> that, while you are spoken against as evildoers, they may be
> >> disappointed who revile your good manner of life in Christ.
> >> (1 Peter 3:15-16 WEB)

> > The Holy Spirit continues to guide me in my answers to others
> > including to those who hate me.

> You can ask God for that, that is all you can. You depend completely on
> Him.

> >> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><

> >>> One example would be Stephen (Acts 7:59-60).

> >> But of course we shall pray for everybody, and, what is even more
> >> important, is that we should not leave this world with grudges
> >> against others. Jesus and Stephen said the same in their last hours.
> >> It means "forgiveness" - but it was surely not meant as a show for
> >> others, though it can be impressive.

> > Amen.

> Good that we can agree there. And neither Jesus nor Stephen spoke kindly
> there to their murderers, nor did they fellowship with them. Their
> "love" for the enemy was asking God for forgiveness, that is prayer for
> them. It did not mean what you suggested above, namely that others can
> see we belong to God by our love we have for our enemies.

> >> This was not meant metaphorically, but literally.

> > Please know in your heart as I know in mine that our LORD meant for
> > this to have meaning on many levels.

> Oh, if I started with that, there would soon not much be left of God's
> Word. Sometimes we have to fight.

> >>> <> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
> >> Therefore, put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to
> >> withstand in the evil day, and, having done all, to stand. Stand
> >> therefore, having the utility belt of truth buckled around your
> >> waist, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and
> >> having fitted your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
> >> above all, taking up the shield of faith, with which you will be
> >> able to quench all the fiery darts of the evil one. And take the
> >> helmet of salvation, *and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word
> >> of God*; with all prayer and requests, praying at all times in the
> >> Spirit, and being watchful to this end in all perseverance and
> >> requests for all the saints: on my behalf, that utterance may be
> >> given to me in opening my mouth, to make known with boldness the
> >> mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains; that
> >> in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak. (Ephesians 6:13-20
> >> WEB)

> > Indeed, the sword Peter used was the one he carried upon our LORD's
> > command to carry one.

> > Again, we are to be HIS swordbearer and not HIS swordpersons.  Nowhere
> > in scripture will you find our LORD issuing the command to brandish
> > any sword to harm another.

> Oh dear - now you come out with it... Who has ever spoken of using a
> sword "to harm another"??? It was not me, and the only one harmed there
> was me whom you rebuked to wear a sword, while MC used insults and the
> like to harm me and my reputation, and not only since a few weeks.

> >>> Amen !

> >>> May GOD help you with your needs, dear sister Linda whom I love.

> >>> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

> >>> Andrew <><
> >>> --
> >>> Andrew B. Chung
> >>> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> >>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

> >> Be blessed,

> >>             ::: vera :::

> > Et tu.

> > May GOD continue to show us the way of HIS love, which is the living
> > water that HE spoke of to the Samaritan woman by Jacob's well, dear
> > sister Vera whom I unconditionally love.

> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

> > Andrew <><
> > --
> > Andrew B. Chung
> > Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

>             ::: vera :::